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John Piper, Ten Effects of Believing in the Five Points of Calvinism

Ten Effects of Believing in the Five Points of Calvinism

John Piper
Desiring God Ministries »

These ten points are my personal testimony to the effects of believing in the five points of Calvinism. I have just completed teaching a seminar on this topic and was asked by the class members to post these reflections so they could have access to them. I am happy to do so. They, of course, assume the content of the course, which is available online from Desiring God Ministries, but I will write them here in the hope that they might stir others to search, Berean-like, to see if the Bible teaches what I call "Calvinism."

1. These truths make me stand in awe of God and lead me into the depth of true God-centered worship.

I recall the time I first saw, while teaching Ephesians at Bethel College in the late '70's, the threefold statement of the goal of all God's work, namely, "to the praise of the glory of his grace" (Ephesians 1:6, 12, 14).

It has led me to see that we cannot enrich God and that therefore his glory shines most brightly not when we try to meet his needs but when we are satisfied in him as the essence of our deeds. "From him and through him and to him are all things. To him the glory forever" (Romans 11:36). Worship becomes an end in itself.

It has made me feel how low and inadequate are my affections, so that the Psalms of longing come alive and make worship intense.

2. These truths help protect me from trifling with divine things.

One of the curses of our culture is banality, cuteness, cleverness. Television is the main sustainer of our addiction to superficiality and triviality.

God is swept into this. Hence the trifling with divine things.

Earnestness is not excessive in our day. It might have been once. And, yes, there are imbalances in certain people today who don't seem to be able to relax and talk about the weather.

Robertson Nicole said of Spurgeon, "Evangelism of the humorous type [we might say, church growth of the marketing type] may attract multitudes, but it lays the soul in ashes and destroys the very germs of religion. Mr. Spurgeon is often thought by those who do not know his sermons to have been a humorous preacher. As a matter of fact there was no preacher whose tone was more uniformly earnest, reverent and solemn" (Quoted in The Supremacy of God in Preaching, p. 57).

3. These truths make me marvel at my own salvation.

After laying out the great, God-wrought salvation in Ephesians 1, Paul prays, in the last part of that chapter, that the effect of that theology will be the enlightenment of our hearts so that we marvel at our hope, and at the riches of the glory of our inheritance, and at the power of God at work in us - that is, the power to raise the dead.

Every ground of boasting is removed. Brokenhearted joy and gratitude abound.

The piety of Jonathan Edwards begins to grow. When God has given us a taste of his own majesty and our own wickedness, then the Christian life becomes a thing very different than conventional piety. Edwards describes it beautifully when he says,

The desires of the saints, however earnest, are humble desires: their hope is a humble hope, and their joy, even when it is unspeakable, and full of glory, is humble, brokenhearted joy, and leaves the Christian more poor in spirit, and more like a little child, and more disposed to a universal lowliness of behavior (Religious Affections, New Haven: Yale University Press, 1959, pp. 339f).

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November 7, 2009

23. Lee Hood says... New member

Jeff Strite commented that he is determined to be a Christian only, and I second that wholeheartedly. That being the case, the issue of whether you are Calvinist or Arminian becomes superfluous.

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November 5, 2009

22. Matt Krachunis says... Contributor

Ron- thank you for your insight. I guess I didn't realize that your intro was yours. I thought it was Piper's intro to his own article. My bad. As far as this being a forum for discussion, I think its a good thing now that you say it. I agree with everything you said in your comment. I didn't really add my two cents in my original comment, because I try my best to not be overly dogmatic in my deportment. That being said, here's my two cents- My largest frustration with both camps of Calvinism or Armenianism is that it comes across as though you must choose either or. I think there is a middle ground that is probably a bit more biblical and fluid than an all or nothing approach. That being said, I'm probably not your guy for the Armenian viewpoint article. Great discussion. Love all you fellow laborers!

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November 3, 2009

21. Jim Kilson says... ContributorPro member

Through the years I have read everything from John Piper that I can get my hands on. Though I disagree with him on several theological issues, his writings have always challenged me to go deeper in my relationship with Christ, and for that I’m thankful. This article is no different; it has caused me to think again about why I believe what I believe. I am not a Calvinist, and I am not an Arminian… As Christians we are called to be followers of Christ, not of man. I believe in the free agency of man and the sovereignty of God, and that the two concepts are companions not contradictions. I know that some may read this article and call it divisive, but I believe that good conversation, and the presentation of opposing views is a positive undertaking. Such an undertaking can lead to the deepening of our own faith, and more importantly it can bring glory to God. Such discussions should stimulate us all to be good “Berean’s,” to search out the scripture and see if that which is presented to us is correct.

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November 3, 2009

20. Paul Aguilar says... Contributor

Brothers, do we preach a gospel that is sure, that can be counted on, do we even plead with people that they can trust wholly on the Gospel of Christ without a doubt? And don't we then ask people to respond to the preaching of that gospel as clearly defined in God's word. I am just following orders from headquarters which tell me to GO and to PREACH. I appreciate very much everyones thoughtful remarks and when we get to heaven we most likely all will say, 'oh, now I get it.' But most likely not until then. Here is a good quote; “We had better far be inconsistent with ourselves than with the inspired Word. I have been called an Arminian Calvinist or a Calvinistic Arminian, and I am quite content so long as I can keep close to my Bible.” C. H.Spurgeon. The Lord bless you all. Paul

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November 3, 2009

19. Michael Durst says... Contributor

I have been raised and school in the Arminian camp. And for a great portion of my life fervently opposed the doctrine of eternal security. But now I find myself unsure. As the depth of my sinfulness has become more and more apparent to myself, I have grown increasingly concerned for my own salvation. At these moments my only solace is to rest in the Truth, that it is only Jesus Christ who saves me, and it is only Jesus Christ in whom I place my trust for my salvation. That's the only thing that I know for sure!

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November 2, 2009

18. Dave Deppisch says... ContributorNew member

This past Sunday I preached on Romans 8. I find great comfort in the knowledge of my security in Christ as my redeemer. While Calvin and Luther were influenced by Paul's arguments and conclusions I think we owe them all a great deal for having succinctly identified the true Doctrines of Grace. I reviewed Richard Phillips book on the Arminian/Calvinism comparative ( What's So Great about the Doctrines of Grace) and after examining scripture have become more convinced than ever that eternal security, election, predestination and the other points of Calvinism will not lead a true born again follower of Christ into using grace as license. I also know that my friends who believe in the Arminian viewpoint are not hampered by a faith which fears the loss of salvation- but some have encountered a degree of uncertainty in their walk with the LORD that has at times put them into bondage and made them work for the restoration of salvation. The Bible tells us to work out our salvation with fear and trembling-- work OUT not work FOR. This is a great distinction that oftentimes is missed by even the most ardent and well meaning Christians. The Truth is that when we truly come to profess Jesus as LORD and Savior with the leading of the Holy Spirit, we are indeed as Paul states awaiting our future glory with Christ: FOR WHOM HE DID FOREKNOW, HE ALSO DID PREDESTINE, TO BE CONFORMED TO THE IMAGE OF HIS SON, THAT HE MIGHT BE THE FIRSTBORN AMONG MANY BRETHREN. MOREOVER WHOM HE DID PREDESTINE, THEM HE ALSO CALLED: AND WHOM HE CALLED, THEM HE ALSO JUSTIFIED: AND WHOM HE JUSTIFIED, THEM HE ALSO GLORIFIED. Notice here that it is all in the PAST TENSE. When God puts His 'earnest' in you-- the Holy Spirit-- He will complete the good work which He has begun.

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November 2, 2009

17. Richard Hopper says... Contributor

I get what Piper is saying. I myself have followed the ways of Arminianism and am no more the worse for it. I know of people from both sides of the fence and have experienced abuses from both, as is the case in nearly everything... However, in all fairness to both sides most people are not in touch with what they believe from a theological point of view. Most people in church today see their journey of faith from their own personal worldview instead of from a biblical worldview. Those who are from the Baptist side are going to preach and teach the scripture from their particular slant or understanding of scripture. Likewise for those who are more from the MethodistArminian tradition. What I believe was originally intended to give people direction has developed into a I'm right and you're wrong situation. How about if we simply preach and teach Jesus Christ as Savior, crucified, dead, risen and coming again. When we all get to heaven we won't be arguing who's right and who's wrong now will we?

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November 2, 2009

16. Samuel Stone says... ContributorPro member

Amen, Piper! I grew up in an anti-Calvinist environment. Most part of Ron Forseth’s list was often mentioned. Through some strange “election” of God, I became a Presbyterian, and cautiously keeping myself from buying into Calvinism. Alas, I was so wrong! Now I confess my sin of arrogance and judgmental spirit. I am quite disappointed with Ron Forseth’s article. “At least 10 things have bothered me about the effects that “so-called” Calvinism has had on some:” Who is the “some?” I am not going over his list of ten reductionistic evaluations. That’s often the sin of the fundamentalists—reductionism. I have been there and done that. But Piper’s article is about his own experience, not about some people out there. So make your own judgment as to which of the two lists is valid. As for me, it’s a long and humbling journey to eventually come to the realization of God’s awesome sovereignty and become part of the new thing God is doing. It’s like the attitude of Job, in the final chapter, to recognize the height of God’s majesty and the depth of our arrogance and ignorance. Amen, Piper, Amen!

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November 2, 2009

15. Jim Ricker says... Contributor

Ron, Thanks for posting the article, I am not offended or worried about the article or Dr. Piper's Calvinism. I believe that we should be able to discuss these matters in a congenial and robust way. We need not be disagreeable in our disagreements. Leo, Great words brother! Brother and sisters can disagree but in the end, we must agree on the basics (fundamentals in Scripture) and then discuss the non-essentials as what they are; non-essentials (although they may be important differences). Grace and Peace, Jim

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November 2, 2009

14. Jeff Strite says... ContributorPro member

I am neither Calvinist nor Arminian. Both of these theologians may have had a deep love for God, but neither of them died for my sins. Therefore I am determined to be a Christian only, for I'm committed to the belief that Christ should be my teacher and savior.

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November 2, 2009

13. Ray MCKENDRY says... Contributor

I was helped by the Dr. Piper article on Calvinism. He succinctly states the benefits to him. He says they "remind me," "make me," etc. He is giving his perceived benefits from his own believing an age old system of doctrine that was stated formally by Calvin in answer to the five points of the scholar Arminius. Dr Piper is not setting down a doctrinal system that he says is the only truth. His points are well taken and could be taught as a valuable help to any congregation.

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November 2, 2009

12. Richard Turner says... Pro member

I am in full agreement with Walter Grayum, the 9th entry. Anyone of Arminian pesuasion could have written the same ten things because they are simply good biblical theology not Arminian or Calvinistic. Good observation Walter! I also think Deut 29.29 has something to say to us. I believe the Bible supports some points in both Calvinism and Arminianism and that is why I refuse to buy into any "system" because once it's purchased you are forced to make everything line up- even if it doesn't. I don't know how it all works together but I'm partly both John C. and James A. and I'll leave it up to God to sort out the details.

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November 2, 2009

11. Dennis Conner says... New memberPro member

There is a doctrine that will answer this discussion of which is right the Calvanist or the Arminiam's? It is the Doctrine that is well taught in scripture. The Doctrine of I dont know. Deut.29-29 The Secret things belong unto our God; but those things which are revealed belong unto us. If God wanted us to know this truth it would have been made known. Obviously it has not been made known due to the debates. Intelectual humility comes hard to some. Pride of the intelect dies hard. But if the Scriptures teach any thing it is this doctrine. Jesus said the Holy Spirit is like the wind, dont know where it's coming from or going..So is everyone that is born of the Spirit. Paul said we see through a glass darkly. In the book of Job,God Silenced the know it all's by saying who is this that uttereth council without knowledge? I'm not saying lets put a premium on ignorance and not study the word to shew ourselves approved,etc..but please humble yourself and say I dont know, its ok not to know. Good news is We can know the Lord, Oh that I might know him...I don't deny that both truths are taught? and the question is and always will be where is the tension? I for one struggle for answers as well. But I always end up with Deut 29-29. Therefore work out your own Salvation with fear and trembling. Dennis

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November 2, 2009

10. Leo Clemente says...

Someone wisely said, "Doctrine divides." That's true. Biblical Doctrine divides (separates) truth from error. Everyone has a right to choose their belief (Arminian or Calvinist). But at the end of the day, it's what God says in HIS WORD that matters. It's clear to me that before I became a Calvinist, I was (am) first a Christian.

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November 2, 2009

9. Walter Grayum says... ContributorPro member

It's interesting to me that, even though I don't consider myself a Calvinist or an Arminian, I agree with John Piper's ten points. I think that's because those ten points could, and should, be arrived at by anyone who believes the Bible because they are based on BIBLICAL truths, not "Calvinistic" truths. This is one area I've felt concern with over the years - it seems sometimes that the more Calvinistic someone is, the more likely he is to mistake Calvinism for the Bible, an error I see reflected in Dr. Piper's article (an error we're all vulnerable to with our own beliefs).

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November 2, 2009

8. Randall Starkey says... ContributorPro member

Paul told Timothy to "rightly divide" the word. To me, this simply means truth has two sides - divine tension - and the ultimate key for believers is to apply the correct side at a given moment (Christianity is a relational "walk" not a "formula". Walk by faith, Walk in the Spirit, etc.). So, when it comes to Dr. Piper's calvinism, he's simply presenting one side - God's sovereignty. But since truth has two sides, he's missing much (man's power of choice), and if we insist on clinging to just one side we will be distorted in our views.

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November 2, 2009

7. Wendall Buck says... Pro member

I love the spirit in which these beliefs were voiced. I don't agree with the thought that because someone is Arminian that this will lead to a water down belief that will lead to what Dr, Piper said. I am an Arminian and and can not see where a total surrender to God and his will would lead a way from God instead of closer to God. With a greater passion to walk in all his principles for life that he teaches in his word. My nephew and my brother-in-law were both strict calvinists and I do not know of any more godly men. We had and have some lively discussion over the difference in what we believe. I believe both sides have individuals who make God's grace a cheap grace instead of a transfoming grace that radically changes the heart and life. I have enjoyed the articale and all the comments I have read for one main reason. That is I did not sense any personal attacks on fellow believers relationship with God. Wendall

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November 2, 2009

6. K. Edward Skidmore says... ContributorFeatured contributor

My wife amused me one time by saying, "Ed, God has foreordained you to be an Arminian, but I am a Calvinist by my own free will." Seriously, at this point in my ministry I have reached a median view on the Calvin/Arminian debate and think most Christians are somewhere between the two extremes, as is, the Bible itself, I contend, in that it has much to say about God's actions in saving us, as well as our own responsibility to connect with God and remain true to him. I see a partnership there between the savior and the saved that no flavor of theology can erase or diminish.

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November 2, 2009

5. Ron Forseth says... StaffPro member

Thanks, Jim, James, Scott and Matt. I appreciate your input. I'm seeing what I believe is productive friction in the discussion here. Matt, your question about posting "a divisive article" is a fair one. Though there is an intent to stimulate intellectual intreaction, there is zero intent to be divisive. Actually, I've done it in a confidence that believers who have differing views here are indwelt with the Spirit and have something to offer as we seek Christ together. Discussing the glory of God and the responsibility of each individual is part and parcel to our faith. Certainly these topoics are worthwhile talking about in a good spirit. About posting a response from the Arminian view, in my intro to the article (http://outreachi.com/sc/newsletter2009/20091102.htm) I posed 10 issues I myself have had with my firsthand experience with Calvinism. And I would be quite willing to consider an alternative quality article written from a good spirit and could publish it in the coming weeks (contact me at ron@outreach.com). For the time being, let us have a discussion, digging into and presenting Scripture--and doing so with joy and a mutual affirmation of the supremacy of Christ and our love for our fellow believers.

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November 2, 2009

4. Matt Krachunis says... Contributor

I'm a little surprised that Sermon Central would post such a divisive article. There is a benefit of conversation between theological matters between professionals, but it appears as though sermoncentral is endorsing a theological belief system. I enjoy the articles that generally pertain to preaching and church leadership, but wonder the benefit to showcasing an article such as this. Will there be a counter-point to the five points of Calvinism?

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November 2, 2009

3. Scott Bayles says... ContributorPro member

Thanks Dr. Piper for sharing a bit of your passion and joy with us. I don't comepletely subscribe to Calvinism. There are parts that I think are just plain wrong. But other aspects, such as the Sovereingty of God, as undeniable. Those who feel like it wouldn't be just or fair for destroying someone who "never had a chance",really need to go back and read Romans 9 again, especially verses 16-24. Paul addresses that very question: "Then why does God stil blame us? For who can resist his will?" His answer didn't focus on the free-will or "whosoever will" aspect of salvation; rather, he said that God created all these "objects of wrath" and destined them to be destroying in order to demonstrate his mercy and grace to others whom he had destined for glory. I don't know how anyone can read this passage and hold a strict arminian veiw or even question God's morality. as Paul asked, "Who are you, o man, to talk back to God?"

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November 2, 2009

2. James Thompson says... ContributorPro member

Bro. Piper, I am not a smart guy, I just love God and care about the cause of Christ. God only knows, how I long for the truth, so I can pass it along. If the Calvinistic belief is correct, then we serve a God who is no preferrer of persons, who created some people for heaven and some people for hell, which He said hell was not created for. I understand, and agree in the sovereinty of God, but I believe it was God who gave us the privilege and responsibility of deciding for ourselves whom we will serve, it's called faith. You see, I have come to believe that every man (ALL) has faith, God pours our His Spirit to every man (ALL know the facts), and then we must choose continually, enduring, until Jesus comes again. No one ever loeses their faith, they just change what they have faith in. To not have faith in God, is faith to not trust in God, whether one believes in Him or not. Maybe w/o realizing it, but you statements of humility, seem to contradict the calvinistic beleif. I don't say this with any arrogance intended, you seem to wise to believe something that is so non-inclusive of many of God's creation. Why, pray tell, would God create something good for hell? I liken the calvinistic belief to the OSAS, the tongue speaking, and the absolute necessity of water baptism, as well as others who believe that they are the only ones who are right. They have to believe that in order to believe in the denominational beliefs that they have. These are dividing tools of the devil. This kind comes not from above. Let's quit changing the Bible to say what we want it to. Let's quit changing God into what want Him to be, and let Him change us into what He wants us to be. I believe God calls all, but choose those who work out their own salvation (by His Power, but of our choosing), and please don't take that out of context. I am not even a non-denominationalist, just a Christian. I have found through the years that all are flawed. A city that is divided, shall not stand. I have heard you speak when you are not spewing denominational (man-made) documentation, and was blessed, as I am with many of the others. We always have to add a dot or a tittle, don't we?

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November 2, 2009

1. Jim Ricker says... Contributor

Although I do love Dr. Piper, it seems that some of these points are a bit stretched for general use while Calvinism may help Dr. Piper in these 10 ways. I am neither a "C" or a "A" as both camps must either ignore or interpret passages out of the natural context of the books. God is sovereign but we have a choice to reject or bow the knee when given that ability by the Spirit. Even though God has given us a measure of free will, the end is written and God knows all events to come. If we are never given the opportunity to bow our knee then God is not moral or just because He condemns us for being as He has made us and then condemns us for being exactly as we are made by Him. But specifically to the article points (or better yet, a combination of the points made by Dr. Piper). The idea that the lack of Calvinism leads to universalism, that those outside of Calvinism somehow must (by definition) think that the Spirit is hampered by the hard-hearted or that conversion is by the device of the one sharing Christ is nothing more than opinion based on Dr. Piper's belief that Calvinism is the "true religion" which it is not. The Spirit does the work and one doesn't need to be a Calvinist to know and believe this. Neither does non-Calvinism lead to universalism; the lack of a firm foundation leads to universalism and my foundation is based on Scripture not on Calvin. Love my Calvinistic and Arminian brothers and sisters but this pointless and fruitless debate continues to do nothing but elevate men instead of our King. Grace and Peace, Jim

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