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preaching article Prepare Yourself for the 4 Points of Attack in Leadership

Prepare Yourself for the 4 Points of Attack in Leadership

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Aug 29, 2011

I've been reading through the Sermon on the Mount lately, and what Jesus said in Matthew 5:10-12 has really stood out. As a leader in ministry, we ARE going to be attacked, especially if we are having an impact in the areas in which we are planted. I want to go over four areas in which leaders WILL be attacked and talk about how to handle it.

Area #1—Your Motives

There is no way around it. People are going to question WHY you do what you do. And the more success you see in ministry, the more people will question your motives.

Let me be clear: You can't win this fight. The only thing that you can do is consistently check your heart to make sure that you are listening to the voice of God and doing what He says. We can lie to people, but we can't lie to Him. He knows our hearts. One day our motives, if impure, will be exposed, because He will NOT be mocked! (Galatians 6:7).

In reality, most people who question your motives don't have a freakin' clue where you came from. They don't know what you've put up with, the sleepless nights you've gone through, and the personal sacrifices you've made to get to where you are. AND you CAN'T waste your time explaining those things to them, because then they'll accuse you of pride (an accusation you can't really defend).

You need to ask yourself the following questions when it comes to why you do what you do:

  • Am I allowing Jesus or my personal desires to shape my motives?
  • Is this desire in me a passion that will enlarge His Kingdom ... or a cool idea that will allow me to become more popular?
  • Are my motives being shaped as I study the Scriptures ... or does God's Word conflict with what I want?
  • Are the godly people the Lord has placed in my life rebuking me or affirming me?
  • Am I doing what I do because I love Jesus and people ... or because I love myself and see all of the personal gain I can achieve from this?
  • Am I doing this for attention from others or for AFFIRMATION from my heavenly Father? (Matthew 3:17)

Area #2—Your Doctrine

Most people who come into your church will say that they want you to teach from the Bible. But often, what they really mean is that they want you to teach from the way THEY see the Bible ... AND from the translation they prefer, as well!

We are told in Scripture to watch our life and doctrine closely (I Timothy 4:16). We are told that teachers will be judged more strictly (James 3:1). God takes HIS Word seriously, and so should we (Revelation 22:18-19)! However, WE CANNOT teach another person's theological convictions as our own. We MUST study the Scriptures, seek wise counsel, pray, read, and then OWN what we teach (I Peter 3:15)

Understand that when we do this, there are going to be people who disagree with what we teach. This is OK, as long as we know that we are making every effort to be as theologically sound as we can be. AND we've got to understand as well that godly men and women who really love Jesus have been on both sides of most major theological arguments.

One of the things I often tell the people at NewSpring Church is that I will not lead them astray when it comes to theology or food! We take doctrine seriously; every message we prepare takes hours to shape, and then I gather godly men and women around me who diligently search the Scriptures and hold me accountable on the doctrine that is being taught. (We've had some very lively theological conversations in these meetings!)

We've got to take what we teach people seriously, along with the understanding that no matter how much time we put into the message, there will always be people who disagree with what we say. But when people do question us, it gives us a chance to either KNOW what we believe or go back and research to see if our convictions are OWNED by us ... or if they're just a cool concept we heard on a podcast.

Area #3—Your Leadership Style

I am a student of growing churches! I don't care what denomination they are, where they are located, or what the architecture looks like. If people are being reached for the Kingdom, I want to see what is going on. I've crawled on a lot of planes and made tons of phone calls, and the one thing that I've discovered is that hardly ANY of these churches are similar in leadership styles.

Now let me be VERY clear—godly leadership is ESSENTIAL for a church to have a Kingdom impact! (Look at what happened to the nation of Israel in the book of Judges when they didn't have godly leadership!) But I believe each church must wrestle with the Scriptures and personalities that are present and allow the Lord to show them the best way to structure for maximum effectiveness.

Jesus addressed seven different churches in Revelation 2-3, and He addressed each one of them differently! He didn't say, "Here is an org chart for all of you guys, here are some titles for key staff members, and here are some books to read on leadership development ..."

What He did establish with each church is that THE CHURCH IS HIS, but He also addressed each unique issue the church was facing, and then walked them through how to deal with it. And I believe He's still doing the same thing today! No one knows how to lead the church better than Jesus! After all ... it is HIS. (ANY leadership structure HAS to recognize this, or the church will become impotent!)

But when you establish how the church will be led, people will always point to another model that "is working" somewhere else. In this situation, try not to tear the other model down (unless it's leading a church into the ground), but confidently explain that the church's leadership has set things up the way they feel Jesus has led them to do so. That explanation works for some ... and not so much for others. But at the end of the day, the leader(s) need to rest in the fact that they have set things up the way Jesus has led; after all, we are the ones who will be held accountable for it! (Hebrews 13:17)

Area #4—Your Ministry Methods

People are going to question how you do things, no matter how you do them. By the way ... people questioned the ministry methods of Jesus! I would say if people aren't asking questions and getting offended, then you are not being like Christ! Jesus was ALWAYS healing on the Sabbath, which was considered to be a "sin" in that society. Think about that ... there were people who actually accused Jesus of sin because His ministry methods didn't match up with their personal preferences. Hmmmm ...

If you preach line by line, verse by verse, some people are going to prefer that you be more of a topical teacher. If you preach topical messages, some people will scream that you need to exegete the text! If you use "secular" music, some people will scream you are "loving the world." If you use all "Christian" music, some people will scream that you are not relating to people outside of the church. If you dress up, some people will say that you make them feel uncomfortable, because they don't really have any "church clothes." If you wear jeans and a T-shirt, some will say that "you aren't giving God your best!"

What I am saying is this: There is NO WAY that a ministry leader can please every single person coming in the doors! I once told a pastor, "You could stand at the back of your church this Sunday and give away $100 bills, and SOMEONE would hate you for it!"

What you've got to do is figure out God's unique calling on your life, and then do it with no apologies. If you and I are not being true to the call God has placed on our lives, then we are basically slapping His grace in the face and saying to Him by our actions, "People's opinions are more important than Yours!" I once heard Craig Groeschel say, "Becoming obsessed with what people think about me is the quickest way to forget what God thinks about me."

Peter had a calling to reach the Jews. Paul had a call to reach the Gentiles. Their ministry styles looked different while their goals were the same. In the Christian world, we allow our difference to divide us rather than develop us—sad.

How has the Lord called you to preach? What has He told you about the music style in your church? How has He told you to staff the church? These questions must be answered, because if you don't answer them, someone will. Then you will find yourself leading a church that, in an effort to please everyone, reaches no one!

Your ministry style will be questioned ... but the ULTIMATE One whom we answer to is Jesus. It is His church ... His ministry ... and HE will ask the final set of questions one day! Be who HE called you to be! Do ministry how HE called you to do it. You just can't go wrong this way!



Perry Noble is the founding and senior pastor of NewSpring Church in South Carolina. The church averages 26,000 people during weekend services at multiple campuses throughout the state. Perry is a gifted communicator and teacher, convicted about speaking the truth as plainly as possible. God has given him a vision and a passion for helping people meet Jesus, and each week he shares God’s word and its practical application in our daily lives. Perry, his wife Lucretia and their daughter Charisse live in Anderson, South Carolina. You can read all of Perry’s unfiltered thoughts about life and leadership at PerryNoble.com. Don’t worry, he holds nothing back.

Talk about it...

Mike Jacobson avatar
Mike Jacobson
0 days ago
Good article....should probably drop the word "freakin'"
Jerry Schoenenberger avatar
Jerry Schoenenberger
0 days ago
I agree with Mike. Good article. Poor choice of a word.
Chris Grange avatar
Chris Grange
0 days ago
Good article Perry. I think Mike and Jerry have helped make your point.
Charles Thornton avatar
Charles Thornton
0 days ago
good article...i agree with dropping the word "freakin:
Matt Krachunis avatar
Matt Krachunis
0 days ago
Keep the word 'freakin".. as I was reading this article- specifically when I got to that word in the article I said, THIS GUY KNOWS WHATS UP. Cause I will tell you this, that's exactly how I felt this week when someone was challenging my motives. Way to go Perry. Keep it real. The article was freakin awesome.
Neil Johnston avatar
Neil Johnston
0 days ago
I agree, very good article! I've been challenged in all of these areas as well. The conversation on 'freakin' is interesting, for sure. I re-read the paragraph. It's used to express emotion, but Perry doesn't need it. The article is compelling without it. And yet, I know this is how Perry talks, so grace to him. My only question is why not use the real F-word? We all know what the Christian F-word 'Freakin' is replacing.
David Hallum avatar
David Hallum
0 days ago
I don't have the luxury of knowing Bro. (Dr ?) Perry Noble. But I would encourage him to excise the word "freakin'" not only from this article, but from his vocabulary. I guess this makes me one of the people that even a $100 bill would not make happy. Good article and grace to all.
John E Miller avatar
John E Miller
0 days ago
It would be more honest to say that the word "freakin" is a euphemism for the f-word. If someone who aspires to leadership or considers that they have attained that status, is concerned about being attacked, the best way to deal with it is to spend more time in private with the Lord Jesus. Every follower of Christ, from the most obscure to the most prominent, if they are faithful to the Master and the word of God, will be attacked. Scipture details the armour that God has provided in Ephesians ch.6.
Walter Zimmer avatar
Walter Zimmer
0 days ago
Why in the world would someone use such a word that detracts and misfocuses our attention? Would our Lord ever use such a word to get his point across?
Mitch Weimer avatar
Mitch Weimer
0 days ago
Very good article. Funny thing, last week I was told by someone in my church that when I said "Geez" it sounded like I was using the Lord's name in vain. I explained to them that it was a shortened form of Gee Whiz. When I asked my wife, she said people could and would look at it the way the man said so I now work at eliminating Geez from my vocabulary. Not because of the opinions of others, but as to not offend when I can avoid it, especially when preaching. While we can't act like we're walking on eggs, with position comes responsibility and we have to accept that in our positions as ministers we work too hard to get people saved to allow Satan to use something we might do against us to derail those that don't get us the way we'd like them to. While I personally have no problem with the word "freakin" I would eliminate it as to not give Satan an opportunity to use it as a stumblingblock for those that might.
Doug Engel avatar
Doug Engel
0 days ago
Great article . . . right on the money! In fact, let me say that these four attack points are real and I wouldn't judge anyone for using one word over another per chance that they have been through this sort of hardship and actually know what they're talking about. Now, let's put our energy into the real fight!
John E Miller avatar
John E Miller
0 days ago
I live in Scotland and am not familiar with Perry Noble or anyone who has contributed to this discussion. Because of this it may be easy to speak without being influenced by the prestige that any church leader has accumulated by virtue of a particular style of ministry. I note that notwithstanding reservation and even rebuke on the part of every other contributor regarding the language used, all apart from Walter Zimmer praise the article. At least three actually excuse it. Scripture tells us that a little leaven, leavens the whole lump. Intemperate or filthy language has no place in Christian ministry or teaching and should be unequivocally condemned. As far as the purpose of the article is concerned, I have great reservation. Perry Noble, according to his church website is Senior Pastor. A Pastor is simply a Shepherd. A shepherd in the teaching of scripture is one who will habitually and deliberately put himself in harm's way in order to safeguard his flock. He is not concerned with his own safety and expects to be attacked. Any and all attacks are to be met by reliance on God and obedience to His word. If a shepherd makes his own safety, dignity or perceived authority a priority, instead of being like the Lord among his people as a servant, he is failing in his duty. Throughout scripture there are many wonderful examples of the actions of self-sacrificially motivated shepherds who were oblivious to concerns about their own safety or the effects of evil attacks on their own standing. The supreme example is the Good Shepherd, the Great Shepherd, the Chief Shepherd, our Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ. Please read 1 Peter 2:21-25. May God bless us all in obedience to His Word
John Sears avatar
John Sears
0 days ago
One of the basics that was hammered into my head during preaching class was "Know your audience." This might be a case where "knowing the audience" was mishandled in the use of the word "freakin". However, I thought the article itself was good.
Fernando Villegas avatar
Fernando Villegas
0 days ago
John Miller, I'd like to make a couple of points in response to your latest post. First, I'm not here to excuse Mr. Noble's language. As pastors, we need to be very intentional and very careful about the words we use. I wouldn't have used that word in this article. I think he shouldn't have either. BUT, I also recognize that language is not fixed. There are words that were considered bad words when I was growing up that are no longer considered bad words today. There are words that weren't broadcast on TV when I was a kid that are used on TV today all the time. That's not to say, necessarily, that these words are acceptable to use now. But the impact is no longer as strong as it used to be, for better or for worse. So even though there are words that I will not use, if someone else does use them, particularly if they are much younger than I am, I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt and try to listen past the language to the main point that is being made. If I knew Mr. Noble personally and had a trusting relationship with him, I would probably counsel him on this matter and then pray that the Holy Spirit will convict him on whatever is the right thing to do. But I don't know him, so other than complaining about it on a website, there's not much any of us can really do about it! My second point will be in a seperate post.
Fernando Villegas avatar
Fernando Villegas
0 days ago
John Miller, my second point, in reference to the article as a whole: I agree with you that as pastors we must be willing to put ourselves in harm's way in order to protect the flock. I don't see anything in this article that would lead me to believe that Mr. Noble would disagree with that; and if you do, I'd like for you to point it out. I also agree with you that our own safety or defense from attack shouldn't be our highest priority. But I read the article again, and I just don't see that Mr. Noble is suggesting anything like that. Take the first point, attack on our motives. How does Mr. Noble suggest we react to such attack? By telling us that we can't win that fight. Don't try to defend yourself in such an attack. Just be sure that your motives are centered on God and not on yourself or your own desires. Is there anything that you see wrong with this? Or how about the second point, attack on our docrtines. Mr. Noble's suggestion: study the Bible for ourselves and make sure we're basing our convictions on the Bible alone. Anything wrong here? Let's look at the third point, attack on leadership style. Mr. Noble's suggestion: work out with your church the way you feel that Jesus is calling your church to be led, explain the reasoning to those who question, and don't tear down other models. Anything wrong here? Now for the last point, attack on ministry methods. Mr. Noble's suggestion: figure out God's unique calling for your ministry, and be true to that calling. He concludes the article by reminding us that ultimately we answer to God and not people. So there it is. Like I said I agree with what you wrote, but I don't see this article as being out of harmony with anything you wrote in any way. I don't see anything defensive, non-self-sacrificial, being concerned with your own safety. What I see is: you WILL be attacked. When you are attacked, make sure you are right with God, and keep moving forward. Is there something I'm not seeing in this article that you are?
John E Miller avatar
John E Miller
0 days ago
Fernando, thank you for your interest in my post. May I enquire if you are a member of the Seventh Day Adventist church? Please forgive me for the suggestion if it is without foundation.
Fernando Villegas avatar
Fernando Villegas
0 days ago
John Miller, yes I am.
Fernando Villegas avatar
Fernando Villegas
0 days ago
Is there a reason you ask? Let me know!
John E Miller avatar
John E Miller
0 days ago
Fernando, in October 1981 the following statement was printed in your Ministry Magazine - "We believe the revelation and inspiration of both the Bible and Ellen White's writings to be of equal quality. The superintendence of the Holy Spirit was just as careful and thorough in one case as the other." Is this your belief?
Fernando Villegas avatar
Fernando Villegas
0 days ago
John Miller, I know you're deflecting, but I'll go along for the moment. If you would like to address the substance of my earlier posts at a later time, I'd be more than happy to return to the topic of the article. As to the quote from Ministry Magazine, I'm afraid I don't have the October 1981 issue--I was five years old in October of 1981! So I can't really speak on the specifics of whatever context that statement may have appeared in. But I can tell you what we believe as a church. There are no degrees of revelation or inspiration. Either God reveals himself to a prophet, or he doesn't. Either the Holy Spirit inspires a prophet, or he doesn't. We have biblical reasons to believe that spiritual gifts, including those listed in Ephesians 4, will remain in the church until Christ returns. Seventh-day Adventists are not alone in seeing this teaching from the Bible. Many other Christians see it, as well. So God can still reveal himself to a prophet, and the Holy Spirit can still inspire a prophet. We believe he did so to Ellen White. However, this does NOT place her teachings and her writing on the same level as the Bible, as she herself made clear on many occasions. This does not reject the truth that the Canon was closed with the writing of Revelation. Her writings are not for the purpose of revealing anything NEW about God. They are for the purpose of encouraging us to return to what the Bible already teaches. The Bible has many examples of prophets whose writings, although revealed by God and inspired by the Holy Spirit, were not included in Scripture. We believe Ellen White was this kind of prophet.
Matt Krachunis avatar
Matt Krachunis
0 days ago
this discussion has gotten freakin' long! all over one word! Here's an idea- lets form a committee, and have a meeting about this word and then put it to a congregational vote and then send it to denominational headquarters. Maybe they can sort it all out.
John E Miller avatar
John E Miller
0 days ago
Fernando, thank you for your reply. "The Bible has many examples of prophets, although revealed by God and inspired by the Holy Spirit, were not included in Scripture. We believe that Ellen White was this kind of prophet." Could I ask you to elaborate on this by giving examples of these prophets and their prophecies?
John E Miller avatar
John E Miller
0 days ago
Matt Kruchunis, your last contribution is not a reflection of a Christ-like spirit.
Fernando Villegas avatar
Fernando Villegas
0 days ago
John Miller, certainly. 1 Chronicles 29:29-- "Now the acts of King David, from first to last, are written in the Chronicles of Samuel the seer, and in the Chronicles of Nathan the prophet, and in the Chronicles of Gad the seer..." Here we see clearly prophets inspired by God but whose writings were not included in Scripture. 1 Samuel 10:10-- "When they came to Gibeah, behold, a group of prophets met [Saul], and the Spirit of God rushed upon him, and he prophesied among them." Whatever either Saul or this group of prophets prophesied, it was inspired, but not included in Scripture. The same is true in Numbers 11:25--"Then the LORD came down in the cloud and spoke to [Moses], and took some of the Spirit that was on him and put it on the seventy elders. And as soon as the Spirit rested on them, they prophesied. But they did not continue doing it." Here's an example of this same idea from the New Testament in Acts 21:8-9--"On the next day we departed and came to Caesarea, and we entered the house of Philip the evangelist, who was one of the seven, and stayed with him. He had four unmarried daughters, who prophesied." So, we see from Scripture itself that claiming that a certain person is a prophet inspired by God does not elevate that person's writings or teaching to the level of the Bible. Ellen White is not our version of the Mormon's Joseph Smith. Ellen White did not see her ministry in the same way that Joseph Smith did, and in fact she never used the title "prophet" to refer to herself because of the associations of that word being used at the time by people like Joseph Smith. As Bible believing Christians, Seventh-day Adventists base our beliefs on the Bible as best as we can understand it; and it is because we base our beliefs in the Bible that we are open to the idea that God can still inspire prophets in our times, as well as recognize that he did so in the life of Ellen White. Having said all that, we also recognize that there are false prophets, as well. Ellen White's prophetic ministry must be tested by the same standard by which all prophets must be tested. Paul counsels us in 1 Thessalonians 5:20-21--"Do not despise prophecies, but test everything; hold fast what is good." My counsel to people is always the same: read her writings for yourself (and read broadly--anyone can take a quote here and there and make her say things she never intended to say!). Test her by the Bible. If it is good, hold fast. If you decide that she is a false prophet, then I certainly wouldn't expect you to listen to her. But it's not fair to dismiss her simply because of misconceptions either of her ministry and teachings, or of what it means biblically to be a prophet.
John E Miller avatar
John E Miller
0 days ago
Fernando, I thank you for your reply. I do not wish to cause offence and think that we should take this tangential discussion no further. I have grave reservations about the prophetic nature of Ellen G. Grace's pronouncements and also about the doctrine of the SDA fellowship. The public nature of this discussion does not lend itself to such a conversation. This is borne out by the intemperate nature and profanity of #21. May God bless you.
Fernando Villegas avatar
Fernando Villegas
0 days ago
John Miller, I'm not offended at all. I enjoy these kinds of conversations, otherwise I wouldn't be here! As far as having reservations about Ellen White's prophetic ministry, like I said earlier, that's fine with me. This isn't a matter of salvation. I just hope your reservations aren't based on assumptions, theological biases, or an un-Biblical understanding of the prophetic minstry. And as far as having reservations about our doctrines, that's also fine. We base our doctrines on the Bible alone, as best as we can understand it. As Mr. Noble mentioned in the article, there are issues in the Bible on which Christians have disagreed and will continue to disagree. There are doctrines in which I disagree with Reformed Christians, with Anglicans, with Pentecostals, with Roman Catholics, etc. But despite our disagreements, those who are committed to following Jesus and being obedient to his Word, I will always accept as fellow Christians, as I hope they would accept me, and I will trust that God will lead all of us to His truth. I would be more than willing to continue discussing these things, but it appears you'd like to stop, which is somewhat strange to me since you're the one who brought all this up. I'm quite sure Mr. Krachunis' latest comment was in reference to the earlier subject of discussion, rather than to our detour. But since you did bring it up, could you at least do me the favor of telling me why you brought it up in the first place? I hope to hear your response.
John E Miller avatar
John E Miller
0 days ago
Fernando, I often look up the identiries and backgrounds of other contributors, just as a matter of interest. It sometimes helps me to understand the reason behind their posts. I "googled" your name and found it connected with the SDA church, hence my enquiry. I have no wish to hijack the discussion on Perry Noble's treatise. Briefly, the grave reservations that I have about the SDA position are based on the manifest falseness of many of Mrs White's "prophecies", the wrong teaching about the Jewish Sabbath and the SDA "Clear Word Bible", which seriously departs from the Word of God. I feel it wise to leave it at that.
Fernando Villegas avatar
Fernando Villegas
0 days ago
John Miller, thanks. That makes sense. I appreciate you wanting to get some background information in order to "understand the reason behind their posts." I would caution you, however, not to fall into the tempation of categorizing me simply on the basis of the denomination I belong to, or of dismissing things I may write by thinking, "Well, he's just saying that cause he's SDA." If you REALLY want to understand the reason behind my posts, all you have to do is ask. I don't care if you want to do your own background investigating. But don't let that be a substitute for ACTUAL conversation. The truth is that I don't believe things about the Bible because I'm a Seventh-day Adventist. Rather, I'm a Seventh-day Adventist because it is the church that most closely teaches the things I've come to learn by studying the Bible for myself. My loyalty will always lie to God and his Word, not my denomination. As to your reservations: you referred to "the manifest falseness of many of Mrs White's 'prophecies'." Well, obviously that's a matter of interpretation. It's not quite so manifest to me, but the issue is not high priority for me in this context. You also referred to "the SDA 'Clear Word Bible', which seriously departs from the Word of God." I suspect you might not have thought through this issue very carefully, as there is NO SUCH THING as an SDA "Clear Word Bible" any more than there is a Presbyterian "The Message." "The Message" is a paraphrase of the Bible written by a Presbyterian pastor, just like "The Clear Word" is a paraphrase of the Bible written by a Seventh-day Adventist pastor and educator. Any disagreements you may have in it's interpretation of the Bible, those are disagreements you have with Jack Blanco, not with the church. I don't read "The Message" and then assume all Presbyterians interpret the Bible in the same way and judge all Presbyterians accordingly. That would be silly. Likewise, if you've read "The Clear Word", or any excerpts from it, and assumed all Seventh-day Adventists interpret the Bible the same way and you have judged us accordingly--well, I'm sorry, but that's also very silly of you. Regardless, I'm fine to leave those two issues "at that." But the second issue you mentioned, which is a Biblical issue, I want to address more closely in my next post...
Fernando Villegas avatar
Fernando Villegas
0 days ago
John Miller, before I address the second issue I mentioned, I'd first like to address something you wrote: "I feel it wise to leave it at that." Well, I certainly hope you DON'T leave it at that, because I feel it UNFAIR to leave it at that. You google my name; you take the conversation on a detour by asking me if I'm a Seventh-day Adventist; you ask me questions about Ellen White's inspiration as a prophet, but never engage in any of my arguments and instead simply assert the "manifest falseness" of her prophecies without offering anything of substance to back up your assertion; and then throw in another couple of "grave reservations" regarding the Sabbath and "The Clear Word", again, with nothing to back up your assertions and no intention of allowing me to make my case; and you want to LEAVE IT AT THAT?! You wrote the following: "I have no wish to hijack the discussion on Perry Noble's treatise." Your actions, however, say otherwise. It appears to me that you don't have any problems hijacking this discussion, as you're the one who did it; but rather that you have no wish for me to make a Biblical defense of my position, because then you'd have to respond, and I get the impression that you don't think you can. Either way, here it is. This is a start, and if you're interested in following up, we can go deeper. There is NOTHING JEWISH about keeping the seventh-day Sabbath, any more than there is anything Jewish about not taking the Lord's name in vain or not committing adultery. If you're looking for a reason not to keep the seventh-day Sabbath holy, you're going to have to look somewhere else because, quite frankly, that's the laziest and least intellectually honest of them all. There are other arguments out there that I respect, even though I disagree, but this one I don't respect. And to demonstrate how absurd this argument is, just try using it with any of the other commandments: "Oh, there's no need to honor our parents! Honoring parents was for the Jews." "Oh, we can take the Lord's name in vain! Not taking the Lord's name in vain was for the Jews." Remember, the seventh-day Sabbath was established at creation, thousands of years before there were any Jews. Now, there ARE days mentioned in the Bible that are referred to as a "sabbath" and that were intended specifically for the Jews. For example, the Day of Atonement was referred to as a Sabbath, regardless of which day of the week that day fell. THESE are the Jewish Sabbaths that we're no longer obligated to keep, not the seventh-day Sabbath. If you are a man of integrity, I sincerely hope you do respond and not just "leave it at that."
Fernando Villegas avatar
Fernando Villegas
0 days ago
John Miller, are you no longer going to participate in this conversation? I'm hoping perhaps you've simply been busy these last couple of days. I want to believe you are a man of integrity. Please don't prove me wrong.

So, what did you think?


Thank you.