Dr. Ronald Shultz

commented on Dec 29, 2012

This is true, but young men must be willing to listen to old men when they speak, but then old men must speak something worthwhile for young men to hear.

Joe Martin

commented on Dec 29, 2012

Great video, thanks for the challenge.

R.l. Wilson

commented on Dec 29, 2012

Ouch!

Paul Perry

commented on Dec 29, 2012

The apostle Paul warned us that it should be men that take the lead roles in the church. I believe that he was correct, look what is happening or has already happened in the Episcaple, the Universalist, the Lutherin, and Methodist Churches, unfortunatly and I know this will hurt a few feelings but women tend to be liberal in their opinions and have no problem with embracing worldly views on Gay marriage and or even the ordainig of openly Gay Pastors and Bishops, even if they haven't repented for their sin or changed their lifestyle, [I know a few more hurt feelings] but it is Biblical and like it or not the Lord does not change his views on perversions like Liberals do, therefore we will see more church closings. May the Lord have mercy on the United States

James Zimmerman

commented on Dec 29, 2012

Brother Paul, do you truly believe that all women are liberal and all men are conservative? Liberalism/conservatism has nothing to do with a person's gender.

Paul Perry

commented on Dec 29, 2012

No brother James I do not. There is no one suit fits all. I do belong to a Methodist chuch [ For how much longer I do not know ] It has seen several in a row women pastors who did and believe I'm okay your okay we are all okay philosophy. Even when I bring up the issue of walking down that wide road and neglecting to follow the path of rightousness it is the men whom say A-Men ! And the women of the church just look down at their feet or get angry and say I am being judgemental, I do happen to married to a wonderfull and woman who believes as I do, that we are becoming just a little to accepting of Liberal demands.

Zachary Bartels

commented on Dec 29, 2012

Some solid stuff here! Although the bad Rob Bell impression is a tad distracting, and it ended a little weak. (I don't want to build a museum OR be "part of a movement.")

Jeff Glenn

commented on Dec 29, 2012

I agree that men are to lead and teach younger men, BUT the problem that I have faced in the ministry is when the men in the church will NOT "step up to the plate" and lead.

Michael Morton

commented on Dec 29, 2012

Re Post 6: Paul Perry. Paul, with all due respect and kindness, you really do need to find another place to serve. Methodists have had women as ordained elders since 1968. As an ordained elder or pastor you need to respect that. It is totally unfair to any female pastor to make a blanket statement as you have regarding the totality of women's beliefs. If you can't support the actions of the General Conference of the Church then you are not in the proper place for you. Blessings to you as you go forward.

Roger Sarmiento

commented on Dec 30, 2012

I understand what u are saying, but what is the Scriptural basis for your claim brother?

Gene Escoe

commented on Dec 30, 2012

This is a great video. I have been "in ministry" since 2001. During that time God has allowed me to preach and/or meet with churches from Texas to Montana and all over the country from east to west. I have attempted planting one church, been the pastor of two others, and am now planting another church under God's guidance. I have also served as a corporate chaplain since 2006. The thing that I have observed is that too many pastors, and for me this only means men based on what I see in scripture, and their churches have no vision for the lost. They are too busy keeping the clubhouse clean and the club members happy. We live in a world that is full of people headed for Hell and we would rather argue over non-sensical, non-biblical stuff. May God lay the same burden for the lost on our hearts that he layed on the heart of the family that started this now defunct church.

Jeff Glenn

commented on Dec 30, 2012

Allow me to add that I agree with Darrin. Churches were never meant to be "museums." The people within the local church have created that mindset based upon a lack of vision, purpose and compassion for people. I DO want to be a part of a great spiritual awakening/movement of God, but how is that possible when church members become "saved and satisfied" and lack a vision?

Roger Sarmiento

commented on Dec 30, 2012

I understand what u are saying, but what is the Scriptural basis for your claim brother?

Jeff Glenn

commented on Dec 30, 2012

Matthew 28:19-20

Shonda Okonda

commented on Dec 31, 2012

What a great video. I only took what concerned me. Again, thanks!

Clarence Lawson

commented on Dec 31, 2012

Great video... We are reminded in Matthew 28 to go make disciples. It's as simple and complex as the command by Jesus to go teach others to observe (do) all that Jesus taught them. If that's not happening... churches close. A simple yet profound truth. Make Disciples

Lena Reyes

commented on Dec 31, 2012

Great video! Thanks for your time and love for our Lord Savior Jesus Christ. He is The Only Way. Amen! Lena Reyes

Bill Williams

commented on Dec 31, 2012

Ummm....I'm not quite sure I disagree, but there's just something (or things) in the video that doesn't quite sit well. First, yes, older men should mentor the younger men. But so should older women mentor younger women. The apostle Paul talks about that, too, so I find the silence from that perspective quite odd! More importantly, however, I think the problem I have with this video is that the so-called solution completely misses the point! I'm surprised that no one here has brought up the fact that in the Christian worldview, dying is a GOOD thing! "Unless a grain of wheat falls into the earth and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it bears much fruit." The purpose of the Church is not to perpetuate itself continually--that is, in fact, what leads to institutionalism. The purpose of the Church is to bear fruit for the glory of God, and a local church cannot bear fruit unless it dies. It is no more tragic for a church founded in the 1800s to have died in the 1950s than it is for my grandfather who was born in 1903 to have died in 1997. The speaker says that church died after a couple of generations. That's about eighty years. That's about the average lifespan of a church. Churches are not organizations, they are ORGANISMS, and in this sinful world, organisms die. And yet, the family continues. At his death, my grandfather left behind eight children, forty grandchildren, and I forget how many great-grandchildren. And that family continues to grow even now, more than fifteen years after his death. So the question we should ask is not, Why did that church eventually die? The more important question, rather, is, What kind of fruit did that church bring forth at its death? And yet, that question was strangely absent from this video! So, again, I don't think he's necessarily wrong. I just think he is completely missing the point, because he's asking the wrong question!

Keith Mckenzie

commented on Dec 31, 2012

I've been a pastor for many years, and I have a few comments to share. To begin, Jesus said "I will build my church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it." The Church is alive today with TRUE believers that love God and walk with Him every day. I don't know whether the people spoken of in this video were actually saved. God knows. I do know what the Bible says about people who profess to know Him and continue to walk in darkness. A prayerful reading of 1 John chapter 2 is in order. In fact, I do not remember any reference to the scriptures in the video at all. Congregations die, churches don't. The Bible tells us why congregations die. It is known as "unbelief."

Bill Williams

commented on Jan 2, 2013

@Keith, excellent points. The universal church will never die. It is guaranteed by Christ himself to prevail until the end. When I refer to a local church, I am speaking of what you call a Congregation. And I agree that many congregations die because of unbelief. But again, even believing congregations die eventually, just as believing Christians do, as well. The premise of the video is that the death of any congregation is inherently because of something bad. My point is simply that every congregation, even ones where the people believe, even ones where older men mentor younger men, eventually dies. Hence the more important question, in my mind: What kind of fruit is left after the congregation's death?

Michael Hasselbring

commented on Jan 3, 2013

Homerun! Great video!

Michael Hasselbring

commented on Jan 4, 2013

Homerun! Great video!

Phil Kitchin

commented on Jan 5, 2013

There's many things that I agree with in this video. I pastor an inner-city, mult-cultural church where nearly 75 of the boys in our area are being raised by single mothers. They have no male role models other than rappers and hip-hop thugs. They don't know how to be men. So they father as many children as possible, drop out of school, take low-paying, dead-end jobs, steal whatever is not tied down and end up in jail or prison. I'm at my wits-end trying to reach these boys. Where are the real men who want to mentor punks like mine? America is going down the tubes because men have no idea how to be men. Think I'm crazy? You'll think again when one of my boys steals your TV or accidently shoots up your neighborhood. What would Jesus do?

Ted Desormiers

commented on Jan 31, 2013

Good Video. Something to really Pray about. However what happened to the WHOLE COUNSEL OF GOD'S Word. There seems to be some compromising here by a few of you making comments. I believe you need to read Genesis chapter 3 and take a close look and think about verse 16. Plus there are many other verses throughout the old and new testaments of the bible about men maintaining the leadership roles in church. Again; it's all about the WHOLE COUNSEL OF GOD'S Word. If we are true believers we need to follow the whole counsel not just what we want. I believe this is another reason churches are dying today. However great video, something to really think about.