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Summary: Many claim to love Jesus but despise his church. Is this bilblical or logical?

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JESUS, YES! THE CHURCH, NO?

INTRODUCTION:

1 We are living in an age that has seen the rise of license and the decline of responsibility.

2 Today many seem to be desperately looking for some strange type of Utopia in which there is happiness without responsibility.

1) Many children expect their parents to support them and rebel at the idea of putting forth any effort to honor their parents or improve and maintain the atmosphere of the home in which they live.

2) Some teenagers expect allowances and cars, the latest fad clothing and yet, refuse to Submit to their parents in love.

3) Young men and women want the satisfaction of a meaningful relationship with each other but refuse to marry. Many are cohabitating instead.

4) Many of those who do marry want the security of marriage but decide that the responsibility of making it work is too much: the answer, divorce.

5) Many who do marry decide they want children and then decide they don’t want tied down with the responsibility. Then comes abortion.

3 In the spiritual realm, this attitude has fostered contradictory activity.

1) Sales of religious publications, books and music are skyrocketing at the same time church attendance is slumping.

4 This attitude has fostered contradictory talk

1) I’m not into organized religion.

2) My home is my church.

3) Jesus, yes! The Church, no!

DISCUSSION:

I. I. Those who say Jesus, yes! The Church, no!" obviously don’t understand the Church.

A. If we love Christ, we will obey his commands

(1 John 2:3-6 NKJV) Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. {4} He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. {5} But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. {6} He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.

(1 John 5:2-3 NKJV) By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. {3} For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.

(John 8:28-32 NKJV) Then Jesus said to them, "When you lift up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am He, and that I do nothing of Myself; but as My Father taught Me, I speak these things. {29} "And He who sent Me is with Me. The Father has not left Me alone, for I always do those things that please Him." {30} As He spoke these words, many believed in Him. {31} Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, "If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed. {32} "And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."

B. Those who obey him are baptized into one body. I Cor. 12:13; Gal 3:27

1. Not just the body of believers, for even the demons believe. Js. 2: 19;

C. We become members of his body Eph. 5: 30

D. His body is the Church Eph. 1: 22, 23; Col 1: 18

E. Jesus is the head of the Body (Church) Col 1: 18; Eph. 1: 22, 23; 5: 23

F. He is the Savior of the body Eph. 5: 23

G. Purchased the Church with his own blood Acts 20: 28


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Brad O'donnell

commented on Jun 19, 2016

Greetings, I'm part of the Jesus Yes, Church No movement. Your observations about decaying respect for parents, responsibility, marriage,etc. are right on, but are rooted in the legalistic failings of society forbidding schools to spank/discipline children. Church does support disciple with its Satan/brimstone threats, but this educated generation is learning that was a pagan lie added to Christian belief to control primitive masses in the 3rd century. (Constantine

Brad O'donnell

commented on Jan 12, 2017

Church is dying because only 3% of young adults have a Christian world view because they don't believe in Satan and judgement for good reason... (Barna Research) It's mostly because "Roman" Christianity had nothing to do with the original Christianity of Jesus Christ. Roman Christianity, the bible and its gosple religion was not the original Christianity of Jesus Christ. Original Christianity was Jewish Christianity... The Romans hated original Jewish Christianity, made it illegal and executed every Jewish Christian they could find. According to the Jewish Encyclopedia, "early Christianity regarded itself as part of Judaism. It had its center in Jerusalem; its first fifteen bishops, observed the (Jewish) Law and held friendly discourse with the leaders of the synagogue. Pauline Christianity greatly aided in the Romanizing of the Church. Emperor Constantine completed what Paul had begun—a world hostile to the faith in which Jesus had lived and died.” In the 4th century, the Romans needed a single faith merged between their paganism and Christian belief to calm the religious infighting in the collapsing empire. They created that blended religion at Nicaea, and called it "Christianity." At the Council in 325, they argued, debated, mutated, and selected the trinity, virgin birth, son of god theology, Dec. 25th from the pagan sun god's birthday and Easter (Eostre, pagan goddess of fertility, eggs/bunnies)... All this dogma was pagan Mithraism and transplanted into Constantine's altered Christianity. There was no justification, judgment, Satan or hell in original Christianity... His was simply a religion of a god of love and forgiveness, and compassion for those who were less fortunate. The Romans replaced Jesus' religion with “Roman” Christianity which was reconstituted from the Mithraic pagan religion of Roman religious tradition. Thomas Jefferson said, “the church perverted the purest religion ever preached (Jewish Christianity), terrifying the masses for the purpose of gaining wealth and control.” And further that, "Paul was the first corrupter of the doctrines of Jesus." Be a Christian...Great! But be intelligent..."Roman" Christianity had nothing to do with Jesus Christ. “When Constantine became Emperor of Rome, he nominally became a Christian, but being a sagacious politician, he sought to blend Pagan practices with ‘Christian’ beliefs, to merge Paganism with the Roman Church. Roman Christianity was the last great creation of the ancient Pagan world.” (www.hope-of-israel.org/cmas1.htm) see more... www.wheretonowstpaul.com/brad/ Be a Christian...Great! But be intelligent..."Roman" Christianity had nothing to do with the religion of Jesus Christ. Roman Christianity, the bible and the gosple religion was not the original Christianity of Jesus Christ. Original Christianity was Jewish Christianity... The Romans hated original Jewish Christianity, made it illegal and executed every Jewish Christian they could find. According to the Jewish Encyclopedia, "early Christianity regarded itself as part of Judaism. It had its center in Jerusalem; its first fifteen bishops, observed the (Jewish) Law and held friendly discourse with the leaders of the synagogue. Pauline Christianity greatly aided in the Romanizing of the Church.  Emperor Constantine completed what Paul had begun—a world hostile to the faith in which Jesus had lived and died.” In the 4th century, the Romans needed a single faith merged between their paganism and Christian belief to calm the religious infighting in the collapsing empire. They created that blended religion at Nicaea, and called it "Christianity." At the Council in 325, they argued, debated, mutated, and selected the trinity, virgin birth, son of god theology, Dec. 25th from the pagan sun god's birthday and Easter (Eostre, pagan goddess of fertility, eggs/bunnies)... All this dogma was pagan Mithraism and transplanted into Constantine's altered Christianity. There was no justification, judgment, Satan or hell in original Christianity... His was simply a religion of a god of love and forgiveness, and compassion for those who were less fortunate. The Romans replaced Jesus' religion with “Roman” Christianity which was reconstituted from the Mithraic pagan religion of Roman religious tradition. Thomas Jefferson said, “the church perverted the purest religion ever preached (Jewish Christianity), terrifying the masses for the purpose of gaining wealth and control.” And further that, "Paul was the first corrupter of the doctrines of Jesus." Be a Christian...Great! But be intelligent..."Roman" Christianity had nothing to do with Jesus Christ. “When Constantine became Emperor of Rome, he nominally became a Christian, but being a sagacious politician, he sought to blend Pagan practices with ‘Christian’ beliefs, to merge Paganism with the Roman Church. Roman Christianity was the last great creation of the ancient Pagan world.” (www.hope-of-israel.org/cmas1.htm) www.wheretonowstpaul.com/brad/

Brad O'donnell

commented on Jan 12, 2017

Brad O'Donnell; Sorry last submission got "double" cut and pasted...

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