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The problem with using analogies to explain the Holy Trinity is that you always end up confessing some ancient heresy.

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Michael Brown

commented on Mar 17, 2014

The problem with the Nicene Creed is that it is not in the Bible, neither is the Trinity.

James Cosentino

commented on Mar 17, 2014

You're right and I see what you're getting at, he's relying on those terms and creeds to define heresy and orthodoxy rather than Scripture. And yet, the idea of the trinity is found within Scripture, while the actual term is not. And the creed is an interpretation of the major tenets of the Christian faith. It is not meant to replace Scripture, but simply to sum up orthodox Christian belief.

Zachary Bartels

commented on Mar 17, 2014

And here I thought this was a site for Christians...

Bryan Thompson

commented on Mar 18, 2014

The tenets of Christianity as found in Scripture are laid out in the Nicene Creed. It is true that there are pseudo "Christian" cults that do not accept the doctrine of the Trinity, but it is a fundamental doctrine of the church. You cannot even obey the Great Commission (Matt 28:19) unless you "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit."

Bill Hille

commented on Mar 19, 2014

You are very right Michael. See if you agree with my comment on March 19, if it doesn't get deleted.

Michael Brown

commented on Mar 17, 2014

P.S. Neither is the Athanasian Creed in the Bible. It is no different than the bad analogies in the video. The Trinity was formed through theories on the nature of Christ over many centuries after the Bible was written. The Bible clearly teaches that God is one person, and that the Holy Spirit is God's Power, and that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and Son of Man (Deut. 6:4; 1 Timothy 2:5; Ephesians 1:19-20; Matt. 16:16).

Victory Agbons

commented on Mar 17, 2014

Dear bro Michael, I beg to disagree with you. The word Trinity may not be in the bible just as the word ?Rapture? is not in the bible, but the word Godhead is there and ." The doctrine states that the Godhead, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit consist of three distinct Persons, yet these three are one God. The term Godhead appears incidentally 3 times in the bible. In Acts 17:29 - Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device. Colossians 2:9 - For in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. Romans 1:20 - For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse. And finally, 1 John 5:7 states "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. Even our Lord Jesus when sending His disciples for the great commission taught them to baptise in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, read it in Matthew 28:19-20 - Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen."

James Cosentino

commented on Mar 17, 2014

I get what this video is trying to say, but I disagree with the idea that analogies are not to be used. Analogies must be understood as being incomplete to the reality it is attempting to describe, but that does not mean they cannot be used to help move us a little closer to understanding those realities. I actually believe the three leaf clover is one of the better analogies to use. Although I do think you need to be careful with the partiality aspect of that analogy. Why not use a combination of those analogies to describe different aspects of the Trinity? It will still never be complete, for our God is an infinite God and can never be summed up in simple analogies, but our hope is that we will ever grow and mature in our understanding and knowledge of God, while admitting that He is a mystery we will never fully comprehend. Actually, an analogy I really like is that of marriage. It is used to describe the relationship between Christ and His church, but I also believe that marriage is an analogy God gave to use to even describe His relationship with Himself. Man and Woman, two distinct persons, become one flesh. Both are essential to the complete union, and so neither is simply half of the relationship. Without one, the marriage is non existent. And then, the perfect marriage has Christ for its head, so there are really three persons within the marriage, which without any one the marriage falls apart, so it is not where each person is simply a part, but all three persons are fully participating in the marriage and without any one person the marriage ceases to truly exist. Again, not a perfect analogy, but as long as we understand the limits of analogies, I believe we can use them to gain a closer understanding of who God is.

Cu Sumaoy

commented on Mar 17, 2014

Agree. People normally easily understand analogies, especially real life representations of things that are highly technical or things that are sort of intrinsic with little or no physical representations. Jesus' parables are, I believe, examples of these analogies. Personally, I understand the Holy Trinity as One God because of my faith that in whatever "world" man is or will be - in life here on earth, in the netherworld, and/or in heaven - there is only one same God who has authority. If man can exist in those three "forms", although at different times, I cannot question the omnipresence of God in all those worlds at the same time.

Tim Schneider

commented on Mar 18, 2014

This video isn't saying that we shouldn't use analogies. The Bible uses many analogies. What the video is saying is that the Trinity itself defies all attempts at being analogized (Not sure if that's a word, but lets run with it). Because the Trinity is beyond all human reason, we can't explain it using an analogy but can only teach it as the Bible reveals it to us. The creeds (Apostles, Nicene and Athanasian) are then also helpful summaries of the Biblical teaching of the Trinity.

Michael Hasselbring

commented on Mar 17, 2014

Thanks for the enjoyable video!!!

Alva Caldwell

commented on Mar 17, 2014

being a twin myself, i love these irish twins.

Bill Hille

commented on Mar 19, 2014

Most know the word Trinity is not in scripture. Analogies are used often, but as far as the Godhead, the word of God is the best definition. First let's make clear the well known gloss in 1 John 5:7-8. The fifteen words "in heaven... witness in earth" were added by one having access to the Greek manuscripts and wanting to force his religious beliefs. The correct reading is "there are three that bear record, the spirit, the water and the blood." You will notice that all three are fluids. So the Holy Spirit, "Haggia Pneuma" is clearly defined in several places by scripture: Jesus is conceived in Mary by the Holy [Spirit] THE POWER OF THE MOST HIGH. Acts 1:5 clearly shows the clear type of water baptism to baptism by the Spirit. vs 8 again clearly shows it is power. Why "Haggia Pneuma" is translated as Ghost sometimes and Spiirit others is crazy confusion. Anyway the Godhead is "clearly understood" by the creation , the things made, so there is no excuse. A six year old can understand what a Family is!!! Gen 1 talking of the created kinds shows us there is only One God Kind. Angels are not God kind just like monkies are not mankind. John 1 tells us Jesus was the Word from the beginning and is God Kind. With the birth of Jesus, the Awesome God Kind became the Awesome God Family. Even more awesome is the fact that the God Family wants us to be their sons and daughters. Hebrews 8:10, 2 Cor 6:18. Satan hates that thought and has deceived the world until he is put away at Christ's return and the resurrected can then have their minds cleared of all the false religion and learn the truth.

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